tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post579253723596031410..comments2023-10-16T21:11:28.700+03:00Comments on Dodecad Ancestry Project: Clusters Galore results, K=73 for Dodecad Project members (up to DOD581)Dienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-33162761268161812122011-04-25T05:46:12.494+03:002011-04-25T05:46:12.494+03:00Cluster #31( DOD392, DOD393, DOD081) is essentiall...Cluster #31( DOD392, DOD393, DOD081) is essentially Galician, a nationality with their own language and culture, so it's interesting the degree of discrimination of this analysis to the level of specific peoples in Iberia. <br />I have a question for you Dienekes: why not this population is in the iberian cluster? which components do differ? Maybe basque? north-european? north-african?<br />Thanks!alobrixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09423410727800719199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-7284740167761114342011-04-23T23:16:05.469+03:002011-04-23T23:16:05.469+03:00Yes i agree Ponto.Yes i agree Ponto.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287887446394838154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-81987499287024249422011-04-05T05:28:04.844+03:002011-04-05T05:28:04.844+03:00Do you think you will ever separate the South Ital...Do you think you will ever separate the South Italians/Sicilians from the Greeks?<br /><br />The two peoples, the Italians and the Greeks, have been separated for a long time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-88274088396990506292011-04-04T19:17:05.923+03:002011-04-04T19:17:05.923+03:00@Daro:
Yeah maybe.
There is also the question, ho...@Daro:<br />Yeah maybe.<br /><br />There is also the question, how "complete" was the replacement in the "great migrations".<br /><br />Hungary was Celtic, then Germanic, then Slavic, then Magyar.<br /><br />With exception of the Magyar, thats the same mix-components that can be found in the Germans.<br /><br />In that table I saw, was the genetical distance from Hungary almost equal distance to Germany, Poland and the Balkan.<br /><br />The most similiar to Hungarians beeing the Austrians and second the Czechians.Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-23735388162241105372011-04-03T13:34:55.700+03:002011-04-03T13:34:55.700+03:00I notice that for many individuals, including me, ...<i>I notice that for many individuals, including me, the British and Scandinavian components add up to 100%. I guess this could be coming from having "new world" people of mixed ancestry, but in that I case I would wonder why specifically these two components are always together.</i><br /><br />If people get mixed probabilities in 2 components, it's usually because the two components are fairly close to each other and difficult to distinguish. This also happens in Italians, for example.Dodecad Projecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10447516703222698752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-66817470296388381872011-04-03T13:32:28.309+03:002011-04-03T13:32:28.309+03:00My parents and I are forming our own cluster. You ...<i>My parents and I are forming our own cluster. You forgot to take me out for this. I'm #81 and as you can see me and my parents are the only ones in #31.</i><br /><br />Thanks for the tip. I reorganized my spreadsheet, and I forgot to mark you as a relative. You won't be next time I do this.Dodecad Projecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10447516703222698752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-16964780484210769042011-04-03T12:08:55.733+03:002011-04-03T12:08:55.733+03:00Dienekes,
My parents and I are forming our own cl...Dienekes,<br /><br />My parents and I are forming our own cluster. You forgot to take me out for this. I'm #81 and as you can see me and my parents are the only ones in #31.My secret stashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17899077820271142628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-4065826489263805742011-04-03T11:48:03.829+03:002011-04-03T11:48:03.829+03:00@Fanty
"Both, North aswell as Southgermans h...@Fanty<br /><br />"Both, North aswell as Southgermans had a closer genetic distance to Hungarians or Czechians than to French.<br /><br />There is of course the question, WHEN did this happen."<br /><br />I guess the answer is that Hungarians are "Half-Germans".<br /><br />In 1241-42 the Mongols reduced Hungary's towns and villages to ashes and slaughtered half the population.[7] Béla IV of Hungary repopulated the country with a wave of immigrants, transforming royal castles into towns and populating them with Germans, Italians, and Jews.[7] Hungarian kings were keen to settle Germans in the country's uninhabited territories.<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%E2%80%93Hungary_relationsPalistohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05633640722962576468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-49859426295460733562011-04-03T10:28:02.330+03:002011-04-03T10:28:02.330+03:00I notice that for many individuals, including me, ...I notice that for many individuals, including me, the British and Scandinavian components add up to 100%. I guess this could be coming from having "new world" people of mixed ancestry, but in that I case I would wonder why specifically these two components are always together.Andrew Lancasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15050253327442799011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-58670304371915945252011-04-02T18:15:46.273+03:002011-04-02T18:15:46.273+03:00@Karl:
I thought a similiar thing some month ago.
...@Karl:<br />I thought a similiar thing some month ago.<br /><br />But I recently saw a table with Genetic distances and a claim, that a minimum of 100 persons per population had been used.<br /><br />That table showed for North aswell as Southgermans pretty strong eastward connections.<br /><br />Both, North aswell as Southgermans had a closer genetic distance to Hungarians or Czechians than to French.<br /><br />There is of course the question, WHEN did this happen.<br /><br />Thats the question.<br /><br />There are things that many ignore or dont know, like that Germany was strongly repopulated from the Balkan peninsular after the 30 years war.Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-75837721239819141202011-04-02T08:51:17.796+03:002011-04-02T08:51:17.796+03:00Dienekes, cluster 5 looks more Eastern German. Man...Dienekes, cluster 5 looks more Eastern German. Many are Germans or Brits with some Slavic ancestry. Some are partly Silesian, Russian, Polish, Slovakian, Czech, or Finnish. Two were fully Slovenian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-79186565215190027822011-04-01T12:21:48.685+03:002011-04-01T12:21:48.685+03:00I could identify 3 people in cluster #19 (where I ...I could identify 3 people in cluster #19 (where I belong):<br /><br />- one 100% Tuscan,<br />- one 50% Central Italian, 50% Northern Italian (myself),<br />- one 25% Southern Italian, 75% Northern Italian.<br /><br />The other 2 I could not identify...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13329524305250109778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-15304962943123066332011-04-01T07:27:04.760+03:002011-04-01T07:27:04.760+03:00Might you consider a K=15 ADMIXTURE run on this am...Might you consider a K=15 ADMIXTURE run on this amplified set of dodecad individuals, as you did for the populations awhile back?Auditor George Danoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15451291978096556616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-83051763681314506932011-04-01T04:37:16.556+03:002011-04-01T04:37:16.556+03:00I get 2% probability for cluster 4. It seems to be...I get 2% probability for cluster 4. It seems to be an alpine cluster, for people who are in between north/central Europe and southern Europe (like Italy), and probably have ancestry on both sides of this divide.Gui Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10460980441040040539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-75543492003477449952011-04-01T02:58:17.636+03:002011-04-01T02:58:17.636+03:00Great work! Is a supervised analysis of the Balkan...<i>Great work! Is a supervised analysis of the Balkans in the pipeline by any chance? Pretty please:)</i><br /><br />Supervised analysis makes sense if you know which populations admixed to produce which other populations or individuals.<br /><br />In the case of the Balkans, there is no such information, and I'd wager that the Balkans have been a net population source, rather than a sink after its original Neolithization where there was a major influx from West Asia.<br /><br />So, a supervised analysis would erroneously convey the wrong impression.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-52402821944025484272011-04-01T01:51:42.448+03:002011-04-01T01:51:42.448+03:00Great work! Is a supervised analysis of the Balkan...Great work! Is a supervised analysis of the Balkans in the pipeline by any chance? Pretty please:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-2836766953621787642011-03-31T22:51:56.682+03:002011-03-31T22:51:56.682+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lola Scarpittahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10828730044493323796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-25226349706950045512011-03-31T22:28:08.744+03:002011-03-31T22:28:08.744+03:00DOD575 has a 66% probability of being in cluster #...DOD575 has a 66% probability of being in cluster #4 and a 33% probability of being in cluster #19.<br /><br />#19 is mostly North Italian<br />#4 seems like an aggregate of different types, some Italians, some mixed Europeans. It is not as distinct. Here are the people that have some probability of belonging to it:<br /><br /><br />JKP001 12<br />DOD575 66<br />DOD307 86<br />DOD456 88<br />DOD082 96<br />DOD290 98<br />DOD024 100<br />DOD108 100<br />DOD139 100<br />DOD454 100<br />DOD557 100<br /><br />You should look at the ancestry thread to see if they've postedDienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-67818327085933191922011-03-31T22:20:16.812+03:002011-03-31T22:20:16.812+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lola Scarpittahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10828730044493323796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-47736658123230032282011-03-31T17:31:28.888+03:002011-03-31T17:31:28.888+03:00For reference : Cluster 44 seems to consist of mos...For reference : Cluster 44 seems to consist of mostly South Indian Brahmins, and the 15% individual is a Bengali Brahmin. <br /><br />DOD327 - Iyer Brahmin from Tamil Nadu.<br /><br />DOD331 - Iyengar Brahmin from Karnataka (a real life 7th cousin of mine/distant relative - predicted as a third to fourth cousin by 23andMe's Relative Finder).<br /><br />DOD395 - Goan Catholic of Brahmin (likely Saraswat Brahmin) descent.<br /><br />DOD414 - ?<br /><br />DOD430 - [15%] Bengali Brahmin.<br /><br />DOD449 - ?<br /><br />DOD451 - Tamil speaking Iyengar Brahmin from Madurai, Tamil Nadu<br /><br />DOD527 - Namboothiri Brahmin from Kerala, South India<br /><br />So, this is a shout out to 414 and 449 - please identify yourselves :-)!Vasishtahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475698920004634252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-28606015628518805032011-03-31T16:56:29.905+03:002011-03-31T16:56:29.905+03:00Hi Dienekes,
Could you please urge the following ...Hi Dienekes,<br /><br />Could you please urge the following users to make a short comment about their ancestry in the appropriate thread? I couldn't find the ethnic backgrounds of DOD395, 414 and 449 in the ancestry thread.<br /><br />Thanks.Vasishtahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475698920004634252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-44933315925685546492011-03-31T16:32:29.680+03:002011-03-31T16:32:29.680+03:00Cluster 42 (4 individuals) looks like it might be ...Cluster 42 (4 individuals) looks like it might be South-East Asian. 2 of the individuals in it are confirmed Filipinas (300,326) the other two indivduals aren't listed in the ancestory thread (448,429), all 4 have some south Asian but this ranges from 0.8% to 10.1%Paul Ó Duḃṫaiġhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13673644707651057833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-66779004658221591592011-03-31T16:07:33.011+03:002011-03-31T16:07:33.011+03:00Oops, I am sorry. I just noticed that I looked wro...Oops, I am sorry. I just noticed that I looked wrong. I do not cluster with South Indians/Tamils. :)Zelllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16352790194619485358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-34195949657711754942011-03-31T15:38:51.538+03:002011-03-31T15:38:51.538+03:00Ok. I know that I am a outlier (DOD349), but still...Ok. I know that I am a outlier (DOD349), but still I wonder, why do I cluster with South Indians? And not with for example Turks or even Uyghurs? Or do these results don't mean anything when you are outlier?Zelllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16352790194619485358noreply@blogger.com