tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post349163143029211207..comments2023-10-16T21:11:28.700+03:00Comments on Dodecad Ancestry Project: Fine-scale South Asian admixture analysis + Results for Project participantsDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-16934782236659753492011-04-16T08:46:07.367+03:002011-04-16T08:46:07.367+03:00Hi Dienekes, just noticed this post. Excellent wor...Hi Dienekes, just noticed this post. Excellent work. I see you mentioned that some of the participants hadn't left a word regarding their ancestry. I've attempted to collate the ethnicities of the South Asian participants, written against their Dodecad ID in this neighbour joining tree generated using the Dodecad results, specifically the South Asian cluster-<br />http://i52.tinypic.com/2d8lsw9.jpg<br /><br />-Vasishta<br /><br />PS. Any chance of running this again? We have a lot more South Indian Brahmin participants since last time 'round you did this.Vasishtahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475698920004634252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-56951372407962058462010-12-18T15:13:56.551+02:002010-12-18T15:13:56.551+02:00and could it be that the westasian component is so...and could it be that the westasian component is somehow the ancestor of the pakistan component? "confused"Svetozarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16928426225010443103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-18219025554387131072010-12-18T14:09:08.741+02:002010-12-18T14:09:08.741+02:00Dienekes wrote on one of his previous blog entries...Dienekes wrote on one of his previous blog entries that he discovered a central-southasian component it would be interesting if he runs admixture with this component for DODO participants.Svetozarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16928426225010443103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-35300040186473719122010-12-18T14:06:19.566+02:002010-12-18T14:06:19.566+02:00whats with my high westasian component? the pakist...whats with my high westasian component? the pakistan component and the westasian component are related according to dienekes. the westasian component is indo-iranian?Svetozarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16928426225010443103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-55277987415169936092010-12-18T13:58:37.345+02:002010-12-18T13:58:37.345+02:00Connections of "Pakistan" component with...<i>Connections of "Pakistan" component with "West Asian" and "Dagestan" are unclear: geographically it's close to Dagestan, but Fst distances matrix put it closer to West Asian. Again, samples from Iran and Central Asia will be very useful.</i><br /><br />Since I don't know what the estimation errors for these distances are, I don't want to put too much emphasis on who is closer to whom, at least for the closely related Caucasoid components.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-76283448099378744882010-12-18T13:56:37.233+02:002010-12-18T13:56:37.233+02:00I am DOD010; North Iranian. Would appreciate Diene...<i>I am DOD010; North Iranian. Would appreciate Dienekes' comments regarding my results.</i><br /><br />Please post this in the ancestry thread.<br /><br />http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2010/11/information-about-project-samples.html<br /><br />I've included the Behar et al. Iranian sample in the next run, which will be posted separately. I will comment on Iranians there.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-46552208060488794462010-12-18T13:46:11.460+02:002010-12-18T13:46:11.460+02:00[quote]The most exciting thing, however, is the fa...[quote]The most exciting thing, however, is the fact that the origins of a part of the West Asian component of my previous analyses can be partially located: it is the purple component centered in Dagestan, i.e., among Northeast Caucasian speakers such as Lezgins, and the Dargins who inhabit Urkarah.[/quote]<br /><br />Good point, Dienekes!<br />You've succeeded to split off another component of neolotic expansion. Its bearers, probably, "chose" a route along western coast of Caspian, to settle on eastern and northern slopes and foothills of Caucasus.<br />But, IMHO, you shouldn't use "West Asian" label this time, it just confuses:<br />- this "West Asian" is actually "Western" West Asian of the past analyses<br />- "Dagestan" is mostly "Eastern" West Asian of the past analyses<br />Their geographic distribution is clear, only Iran and Central Asia are not represented. It doesn't surprise that both components are best identified in two population of Caucasian "refuge": Georgians and Dagestans.<br /><br />Connections of "Pakistan" component with "West Asian" and "Dagestan" are unclear: geographically it's close to Dagestan, but Fst distances matrix put it closer to West Asian. Again, samples from Iran and Central Asia will be very useful.Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315735319835750768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-30932108421856493752010-12-18T12:53:23.427+02:002010-12-18T12:53:23.427+02:00I am DOD010; North Iranian. Would appreciate Diene...I am DOD010; North Iranian. Would appreciate Dienekes' comments regarding my results.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16802533796507156740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-50140523451311975932010-12-18T11:06:32.477+02:002010-12-18T11:06:32.477+02:00the gypsy language is a northwest indo-aryan fwiw ...the gypsy language is a northwest indo-aryan fwiw (classed with hindi, punjabi, gujarati).Razib Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09555115542918519593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-73396321691995886272010-12-18T10:49:54.138+02:002010-12-18T10:49:54.138+02:00HI. IM DODO29 and im a gypsy. I have no Pakistan c...<i>HI. IM DODO29 and im a gypsy. I have no Pakistan component, what does that mean?</i><br /><br />I'd say it looks like Gypsies originated in India, not Pakistan, and perhaps from a caste/group that lacked the Pakistan component. The previously discovered Romanian Gypsies also have a lot of the Indian component, and none of the Pakistan one.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-84053784147029839112010-12-18T10:23:07.072+02:002010-12-18T10:23:07.072+02:00The impact of Scythian and descendant cultures (Al...<i>The impact of Scythian and descendant cultures (Alans, etc) on the North Caucasus and SE Europe could explain the rest of the pattern, except for the Lithuanians.</i><br /><br />Not sure what you mean by the impact of the Scythians on the North Caucasus. Why would this component be modal in NE Caucasian speakers (Lezgins) if its impact on the Caucasus can be attributed to Scythians?Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-37706656363582949902010-12-18T08:51:52.995+02:002010-12-18T08:51:52.995+02:00The Dagestan component could have been BMAC at the...The Dagestan component could have been BMAC at the point that it was absorbed by Indo-Iranian speakers. Farming undoubtedly reached the Bactria-Margiana area from SW Asia. The Indo-Aryans appear to have taken over this oasis-farming culture before moving on to India. Even before that there was contact between Andronovo and BMAC. But I would expect the BMAC component to be higher in the Indic-language group. <br /><br />The impact of Scythian and descendant cultures (Alans, etc) on the North Caucasus and SE Europe could explain the rest of the pattern, except for the Lithuanians.Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16199139920477685196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-17148379987606282812010-12-18T08:39:00.021+02:002010-12-18T08:39:00.021+02:00HI. IM DODO29 and im a gypsy. I have no Pakistan c...HI. IM DODO29 and im a gypsy. I have no Pakistan component, what does that mean?Svetozarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16928426225010443103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-913708059004085732010-12-18T02:43:58.964+02:002010-12-18T02:43:58.964+02:00It's suggestive that haplogroup G2a seems to b...It's suggestive that haplogroup G2a seems to be <a href="http://php.scripts.psu.edu/faculty/a/x/axr15/My_Paternal_Ancestry.htm" rel="nofollow">much more common</a> among the two main Tamil Brahmin subpopulations than almost all other South Asian populations (scroll down to the heading "Distribution of G Haplogroup in India and among Iyers and Iyengars"; the data are from Sengupta et al. 2006.) The author of that page has some speculations about the Indo-Scythians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-65566475217204061922010-12-18T00:12:18.358+02:002010-12-18T00:12:18.358+02:00Well by Iranian, I really mean Steppe Iranian, not...Well by Iranian, I really mean Steppe Iranian, not from Iran the modern country.<br /><br />So Steppe Iranian admixture should be in the the Serbs/Croats, Southern Poles, Balkans generally, Southern Russians, North Caucasians, East Iranians, Central Asians, and all the way down to Indiapconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-82893075019966193802010-12-17T23:06:34.000+02:002010-12-17T23:06:34.000+02:00Why would an "Iranian" component be most...Why would an "Iranian" component be most frequent in Lezgins?<br /><br />Notice that all the previous "West Asian" in Lithuanians is also "Dagestan".Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-6665696828378204512010-12-17T21:46:00.237+02:002010-12-17T21:46:00.237+02:00So DOD075 (Razib), apart from elevated South East ...So DOD075 (Razib), apart from elevated South East Asian, has NO West Asian or Siberian, but HAS European and Dagestan - most interesting?!<br /><br />One other thing, I originally speculated that the Lezgin mystery admixture was Iranian, and I still think I'm generally correct, as only Iranians span the Balkans, North Pontic Steppe, down through Iran and on to Pakistan.pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.com