tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post757367533271642614..comments2023-10-16T21:11:28.700+03:00Comments on Dodecad Ancestry Project: Eurogenes is upsetDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-32382701679484538732011-10-31T00:12:09.751+02:002011-10-31T00:12:09.751+02:00I am of the somewhat tenuous opinion that the orig...I am of the somewhat tenuous opinion that the origins of Y-DNA haplogroup I overall are in Ukraine and immediate surroundings. That area is the Eastern European Paleolithic "refuge" and has clear continuity into Neolithic (Dniepr-Don specially), influencing the Baltic a lot before Kurgan arrival (and, I guess, later within Kurgan flows). <br /><br />Of course some study might one day prove me wrong, showing that the origin of haplogroup I is Scandinavia (or elsewhere). But I'm still waiting for that paper. So far AFAIK the highest diversity of I falls in or near Ukraine, at least in principle ratifying my initial impression on this lineage and the overall origins of Europeans in Paleolithic populations rather than Neolithic ones (that also but less so).Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-34762175640614156932011-10-30T09:45:08.916+02:002011-10-30T09:45:08.916+02:00The Chernyakhov culture was not solely comprised o...The Chernyakhov culture was not solely comprised of Goths, but also other east-Germanic groups like Scirians, Bastarnae, & Heruli. Maybe for Iberia the Goths were nothing but bringers of cultural elements, but in parts of eastern Europe they had a lasting genetic impact. That's why we can see haplogroup I1a as high as 10% in some areas around the Black Sea. Also, lets not forget the Kievan Rus.Bledahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02658411718771297306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-51250321208164835942011-10-29T21:45:51.368+03:002011-10-29T21:45:51.368+03:00I don't think that Chernyakhov culture (Goths)...I don't think that Chernyakhov culture (Goths) has any relevance. These differences are rooted in Neolithic and Chalcolithic. Goths are just a thin layer of nothingness.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-31611053408256349772011-10-29T10:20:26.725+03:002011-10-29T10:20:26.725+03:00Ukraine fell under the dominance of the Chernyakho...Ukraine fell under the dominance of the Chernyakhov culture - Actually if it wasn't for the Turkic nomads, likely the Goths would of withstood the Slavic expansion, like Romania/Moldova and we would have a Germanic nation in eastern Europe.<br /><br />Also, didn't your past run also show Ukrainians to have unusually high "north European" and "Atlantic" scores compared to the surrounding groups? <br /><br />http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4875/germanen.gifBledahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05447740241824496560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-48415560677275861102011-10-28T23:07:43.990+03:002011-10-28T23:07:43.990+03:00I must say I must agree with the diagnoses: an emo...I must say I must agree with the diagnoses: an emotionally/mentally stable person does not need to go around insulting everyone that disagrees with him as you do and have done in the last many years for what I have observed, Mr. David Polako. <br /><br />Of course you do have the right to get angry and so, occasionally, but you are just a bully in fact. And that is a psychological issue you should look for help with. Friendly advise. <br /><br />That does not mean that I agree with using that PA as argument: you may be psycho-emotionally hurt and still be right for a lot of things: it's a handicap but not an absolute one. <br /><br />Going to the grain. You say: "The problem is that Ukrainians are more Western and less Eastern than Poles in your results".<br /><br />How is that a problem? Ukrainians (senso lato) are the older, less indoeuropeanized population of the whole region. <br /><br />Also IF the NE component is actually more NORTH-east than north-EAST, as may be inferred from the fact that it's low in the Balcans and Caucasus, it is also consistent. <br /><br />Of course nobody will question that Ukraine is geographically to the East/SE of Poland but that's trivial when we speak genetics.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-54081046680473232092011-10-28T22:56:51.238+03:002011-10-28T22:56:51.238+03:00So tell us, why are Ukrainians in that analysis mo...<i>So tell us, why are Ukrainians in that analysis more Western and less Eastern than Poles? </i><br /><br />I have already explained why, long before you decided to launch your little dirty attack. If you can't put 2+2 together, that's not my problem.<br /><br />http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/10/further-caution-on-admixture-estimates.html<br /><br /><i>In fact, is it even possible to produce inverted West/East Euro results for these Ukrainians in an unsupervised run?</i><br /><br />Lol, you are incorrigible. I have already done an unsupervised with these Ukrainians. It's called 'euro7', and it was posted 2 weeks before your own K=10 and 3 weeks before your tirade.<br /><br /><i>And there will be a lot of useless data floating around the net. </i><br /><br />I could blog about your ridiculous K=14 where I got messages from half Balkan + half Anatolian Turks about how come they were more West European than West Asian. Or your equally ridiculous run, where a component was centered on only 4 Irishmen. <br /><br />You give me plenty to write about pretty much any time you open your mouth. Unlike you, however, I have more productive things to do with my time than engage in your bullshit vendetta.Dodecad Projecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10447516703222698752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-69855636263373852962011-10-28T22:22:54.114+03:002011-10-28T22:22:54.114+03:00OK, screw this.
I'm hoping you're actuall...OK, screw this.<br /><br />I'm hoping you're actually working on solving this problem, because if you're not, then you won't be doing yourself any favors. And there will be a lot of useless data floating around the net.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-48686094865478487412011-10-28T21:57:57.584+03:002011-10-28T21:57:57.584+03:00The fact that Ukrainians are a little closer to th...The fact that Ukrainians are a little closer to the Balkans and Caucasus is hardly reason to speculate that they should have inverted West/East Euro proportions compared to Belorussians, Russians and Lithuanians.<br /><br />But that's not even the problem. The problem is that Ukrainians are more Western and less Eastern than Poles in your results. But you don't acknowledge this, and keep on prattling about Belorussians etc.<br /><br />So tell us, why are Ukrainians in that analysis more Western and less Eastern than Poles? <br /><br />In fact, is it even possible to produce inverted West/East Euro results for these Ukrainians in an unsupervised run?<br /><br />Why don't you run some of your highly professional MDS/PCA plots with Ukrainians and Poles, vs Balkan and Caucasus samples, and let's see if you don't get the same results as my amateur efforts.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-79446924044539032232011-10-28T21:47:56.064+03:002011-10-28T21:47:56.064+03:00Davidski wrote:
"Your explanation that Ukrai...Davidski wrote:<br /><br />"Your explanation that Ukrainians are more Western European than Poles because they're transitional to the Caucasus, simply doesn't work, because Poles are transitional to Western Europe. "<br /><br />What I actually wrote:<br /><br />http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/09/yunusbayev-et-al-2011-data-assessed.html<br /><br />"Their ratio is exactly what one might expect from their geographical position vis a vis. Russians, Belorussians, and Balts, i.e., populations with a high E/W ratio."<br /><br />You imagine that I wrote something about Ukrainians being transitional between Poles and the Caucasus/Balkans, but that is, in fact, not something I wrote. Please do not confirm what was said about you by arguing against imaginary arguments.<br /><br />Incidentally, the PCA plot from Yunusbayev et al. supports my idea that Ukrainians are transitional between Russians, Belorussians, Lithuanians and the Caucasus/Balkans, your amateurish apples-and-oranges PCA/MDS plots notwithstanding.<br /><br />http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ztxlQ68e19Q/TnC0Z0rW6bI/AAAAAAAAEHc/MQny_v-ygqQ/s1600/pca-caucasus.pngDienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-89900632362152225822011-10-28T21:40:34.741+03:002011-10-28T21:40:34.741+03:00Why can't you make the correction to the sprea...Why can't you make the correction to the spreadsheet?<br /><br />Just say that supervised and unsupervised samples can't always be compared, and then highlight the ones that were done in supervised mode.<br /><br />What's the problem? That would be the transparent way of doing things.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-35510377846429323762011-10-28T21:32:32.604+03:002011-10-28T21:32:32.604+03:00Dienekes, you need to make some corrections to tha...<i>Dienekes, you need to make some corrections to that post and to the spreadsheet.</i><br /><br />No, you need to start doing something of your own, lest your readers, before long, come to the right conclusion about the nature of your project.<br /><br /><i>It's also interesting that Dienekes allowed this comment to go through. A little too eager perhaps to highlight support from his lackeys? </i><br /><br />You should apply your criticism to yourself:<br /><br />http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prat<br /><br />"Basically someone whos a major idiot, or is <b>delusional</b> and dumb. Acts against logic and thinks hes self-righteous. AKA: Major dumbass. "Dodecad Projecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10447516703222698752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-24170311434898510762011-10-28T21:09:02.067+03:002011-10-28T21:09:02.067+03:00tndl,
Can you prove in a civil court that I'm...tndl,<br /><br />Can you prove in a civil court that I'm mentally unstable?<br /><br />You have to be pretty sure that you can, considering you just posted that defamatory information in public.<br /><br />Swearing on public fora, which I do indulge in, is certainly not something that would stand up in a court as a strong argument for mental instability.<br /><br />It's also interesting that Dienekes allowed this comment to go through. A little too eager perhaps to highlight support from his lackeys?Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-54550961519029269792011-10-28T18:47:54.712+03:002011-10-28T18:47:54.712+03:00Enjoy...
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/10/diene...Enjoy...<br /><br />http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/10/dienekes-attempts-to-strike-backand.htmlDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-30730642062952006152011-10-28T17:18:27.300+03:002011-10-28T17:18:27.300+03:00Dienekes, you need to make some corrections to tha...Dienekes, you need to make some corrections to that post and to the spreadsheet.<br /><br />Your explanation that Ukrainians are more Western European than Poles because they're transitional to the Caucasus, simply doesn't work, because Poles are transitional to Western Europe. <br /><br />You know what happened, so you have to fix it. Either take down that spreadsheet, or modify it so that the unsupervised and supervised samples are separated, and also drop a note why you separated them.<br /><br />I'm definitely upset that you acted like a prat when I alerted you to this problem on your blog. And I'm going to keep blogging about this issue until you acknowledge it.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-91344524695268470362011-10-21T23:40:46.727+03:002011-10-21T23:40:46.727+03:00I have been following the interaction between Davi...I have been following the interaction between David and Dienekes for a few years, and it seems to me that there is some sort of hostility (I don't know how big) between them. This is especially apparent in David's attitude toward Dienekes.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-27722663743547386802011-10-21T22:35:01.722+03:002011-10-21T22:35:01.722+03:00That individual is known to be mentally unstable a...That individual is known to be mentally unstable and was banned from dna forums. His "colorful" vocabulary and rambling on various forums is enough to not take him seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-55507876645680240322011-10-21T22:31:04.893+03:002011-10-21T22:31:04.893+03:00Dienekes' did no start, and sometimes it's...Dienekes' did no start, and sometimes it's necessary to point some things. Actually I think he is right, and gets the most accurate data (for the moment). Seems like a problem of jealousy.Acidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09528331665202849473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-21654601469135490862011-10-21T20:15:21.800+03:002011-10-21T20:15:21.800+03:00May I laugh? Polako vs Dienekes looks like a funny...May I laugh? Polako vs Dienekes looks like a funny match to watch. :pMajuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.com