tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post5174744516067362183..comments2023-10-16T21:11:28.700+03:00Comments on Dodecad Ancestry Project: Results up to DOD764 are posted (+portraits, Indo-Iranians etc.)Dienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-4065145722579982992015-04-13T02:15:21.989+03:002015-04-13T02:15:21.989+03:00It's interesting to note that the frequency di...It's interesting to note that the frequency distribution of the supposed 'South Asian" component perfectly parallels the distribution of Haplogroup L. The origin of L is thought to be Iran. With various types moving into India, Europe, and the middle east.blogmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834163614642737338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-81507005736033752002015-04-12T23:42:21.782+03:002015-04-12T23:42:21.782+03:00I think it should be added that this "South A...I think it should be added that this "South Asian' component is found in relatively significant levels, even throughout arbitrary regions of Europe and the middle east - even France and Germany (Chechens show 2.5%). For that it is far more likely , that much of this shared component is remnant of ancient pre-Iranian peoples, which later dispersed with neolithic migrations and (IMO) Indo-European movements from the plateau (as well as E. turkey/lower caucaus region), into Europe. blogmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834163614642737338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-55615492384926169582011-08-18T01:50:39.372+03:002011-08-18T01:50:39.372+03:00anthrospain: Also I wanted to say the IBS sample i...<b>anthrospain:</b> <i>Also I wanted to say the IBS sample includes people of Canarian ancestry, thus non-iberian.</i><br /><br />How do you know that? Even if that is true, I don't think there are many people of Canarian ancestry in the IBS. <br /><br /><b>Corduene:</b> <i>I don´t know what to say but it almost seems like the South Asian component correlates with the "West and East European" components.</i><br /><br /><b>Onur:</b> <i>In which regions/populations of the world does the "South Asian" component correlate with the "West and East European" components? And what do you mean exactly by correlation?</i><br /><br />BTW, I don't see any correlation between the "South Asian" component and the "West and East European" components; that is why I asked the above questions to Corduene.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-53512071428887763052011-08-17T19:45:02.207+03:002011-08-17T19:45:02.207+03:00Question, is the sample of Gayán et al study avail...Question, is the sample of Gayán et al study available ? It has 800 spaniards. Also I wanted to say the IBS sample includes people of Canarian ancestry, thus non-iberian.anthrospainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12619826700444535050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-69779114308566400312011-07-05T15:15:02.944+03:002011-07-05T15:15:02.944+03:00The "South Asian" component is not limit...The "South Asian" component is not limited to South Asia. It has a clinal distribution, being most important in South Asia. I don't deny the possibility of historical interactions, but the fact that it seems extended far to the west and north among Iranic populations as well as (to a lesser degree) populations that were included in the Iranian sphere of influence suggests to me that it may very well have been an original Indo-Iranian component.Dodecad Projecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10447516703222698752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-60262054969253550902011-07-05T15:01:16.765+03:002011-07-05T15:01:16.765+03:00I'm a bit confused. How could the people of th...I'm a bit confused. How could the people of the Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex contribute South Asian genes to the people of Iran when they didn't come from South Asia? Isn't it more likely that there have been extensive interactions between the people of the Indus Valley and the people of Iran which included movements of people in the period that you're considering?Amanda Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05997180528147657311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-17367538766216056572011-07-04T23:11:21.354+03:002011-07-04T23:11:21.354+03:00it almost seems like the South Asian component cor...<i>it almost seems like the South Asian component correlates with the "West and East European" components</i><br /><br />In which regions/populations of the world does the "South Asian" component correlate with the "West and East European" components? And what do you mean exactly by correlation?Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-38854109878235836492011-07-04T15:32:46.926+03:002011-07-04T15:32:46.926+03:00I don´t know what to say but it almost seems like ...I don´t know what to say but it almost seems like the South Asian component correlates with the "West and East European" components.Corduenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10043775187139063006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-91666539684433789762011-07-02T12:43:15.112+03:002011-07-02T12:43:15.112+03:00Also, to what extent is the origins of Indo-Europe...<i>Also, to what extent is the origins of Indo-Europeans in the Near East supported by archaeology? A rather robust hypothesis, don't you think?</i><br /><br />It is far from clear that archaeologists can trace the spread of languages in the material record. Until recently many of them held to an idea of Paleolithic continuity and 'acculturation' that was almost ideologically suspicious of migration. I would say that any theory of language spread should harmonize with the material record, but I don't expect the material record itself to decide the issue.<br /><br /><i>What if the "South Indian component" is not part of the Indo-Iranian story but more part of the Elamo-Dravidian story.</i><br /><br />I won't speculate on what languages were originally spoken by populations with a high "South Asian" component. After all most of the components are associated with multiple languages today, so I don't think that equivalent components in the past were associated with a single language.<br /><br />Also, the Indo-Iranian connection does not mean that the _original_ language of the "South Asian" component was Indo-Iranian. Rather it means that the Indo-Iranians formed in a population that had some of this component by a fusion of Indo-European speakers of some sort and a native element of some sort. The latter may well have spoken an Elamo-Dravidian type of language and have been substantially "South Asian" genomically. <br /><br />It is the fact that traces of the "South Asian" are found throughout the Iranian world that makes one believe that it was a part of the Proto-Indo-Iranian gene pool to begin with, that is, that there were no Iranian groups devoid of it completely. <br /><br />If we find some Iranian groups devoid of the "South Asian" this might indicate that only a subset of Iranians came to be associated with it, and hence the earliest homeland would have to be sought in a different place.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-30672157305029596622011-07-02T11:51:30.082+03:002011-07-02T11:51:30.082+03:00The Nepali samples are a mix of Hindu upper castes...The Nepali samples are a mix of Hindu upper castes (Brahmin and Chhetris) and the largely native Magar and Newar, which explains the diversity in Xing et al's Nepali data-set. Also, to what extent is the origins of Indo-Europeans in the Near East supported by archaeology? A rather robust hypothesis, don't you think?Vasishtahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475698920004634252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-75592182225329987822011-07-02T02:37:26.117+03:002011-07-02T02:37:26.117+03:00I have a question regarding the South Asian compon...I have a question regarding the South Asian component in Iranians. You wrote: <br />"It is a composite of "North Indian" and "South Indian" ancestral components, related to West Asians and Onge respectively." This is also shown here:<br />http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PH9dHcTz4tU/TePlWHYVOuI/AAAAAAAADzA/E0Mqv1KXk3U/s1600/Iranians_6.png<br /><br />You also wrote:<br />"The most likely candidate for the "second element" is the population of the Bactria Margiana Archaeological Complex (BMAC)."<br /><br />If this would be true, then the population of BMAC would have been a mix of "North Indian" and "South Indian" ancestral components. <br /><br />What if the "South Indian component" is not part of the Indo-Iranian story but more part of the Elamo-Dravidian story.<br />The North Dravidian Brahui might be interesting to compare for it.<br /><br />http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CXGkFDZN8wM/TeS2b0dYMCI/AAAAAAAADzQ/RTc-veypHFU/s1600/_7.pngPalistohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05633640722962576468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6533996127304587865.post-27274064922365915002011-07-02T00:54:41.587+03:002011-07-02T00:54:41.587+03:00I think there is recent Russian or something simil...I think there is recent Russian or something similar admixture in <b>at least</b> one of the Behar Georgians.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.com